Dr Nicholas Farrelly is the co-founder of New Mandala. We are ging to the forign office to ask to be put in contact with him or one of his officials. India's "Act East" policy should factor in this road while planning for new developments in this region. We wondered if he could help, once he heard about our convoy ? Can we go for a small museum dedicated to CBI theatre and as well as Stilwell Road ? His Majesty the King of Ava renounces all claims upon, and will abstain from all future interference with, the principality of Assam and its dependencies, and also with the contiguous petty States of Cachar and Jyntia. Awesome. To my knowledge..the Kachin put down their arms some time ago..and they are not fighting at this time. I am Namrata Goswami, conducting research in La Trobe on Conflict Issues in North East India till August 02, 2009. Even in the wet season. If it was me..I’d drive my motorcycle throughout..on a photo adventure. Just seeing the photo of a collapsed bridge the NG team had to fix to cross a raging mountain stream would make you guys think more than twice about going on that road, I reckoned. Regular New Mandala readers (or those who just stumble upon this thread) may want to pursue this story before they head off for adventures on the Ledo Road. China began an crash project to build a road to bring in supplies from Burma. Mandy Sadan’s comments further up this thread may help to illuminate why that matters. There are ways to work around these things however, one MUST give alot of time to do so. Its my way of appoligizing. Or Dingboi on some maps. I would like to mention that in the year 2000 I along with a small team travelled the Stilwell Road and made a film on it : The Stilwell Road-Revisited. when I was a child and my recollection was that there was no real road on the other side. Required fields are marked *. December 1942 saw the beginning of one of the most herculean tasks accomplished by the U.S. Army during the Second World War—the building of the Stilwell Road. Im hoping the Indian commerce minsiter Jairam Ramesh will be able to help us here because he is the one trying as had as he can to re open the ledo road. Raging torrents remain a worry, however. Its the highway for Naga and Assam militants and can be off limits depending on the security situation – like in the NG article]. These were actual grounds of grim and fierce fighting. I have traveled quite extensively within the country as I return to Burma almost every year when I was living in Europe and the States. Even though it is not marked on that map, I think that the railway spur out to Ledo is still used. The book “Song for Irrawaddy” could be an ideal book for Burma Road Tour and Kachin Land as the novel was based on actual events happened in the same areas your groups has to pass through. This is over 40 years since he first did such a huge road journey. A couple of interesting books written by the insiders about that region and Burma as a whole as complementary or accompanying books would excite your clients or prospective clients if you let them read before the trips or during the trips. “It was designed to re-supply troops fighting the Japanese in China. Hello But its going to be huge economic boon for Assam if it is going to handle almost 60% of the world’s trade now seaborne. Construction. ” Typical, can’t appreciate a good bit o’ culture”. “[If we] are allowed to use the ledo road with out escourt this would be great but if we end up having an escourt i dont think it would be a good idea to upset any member of the escourt by asking about these sexuall assults as it could ruin our trip. The book “Twentieth Century Burmese Matriarch” could be another ideal book for any Burma Tour as it is the memoir of a prominent Burmese family during the periods from the colonial times to the beginning of Ne Wins’ dictatorship. > Tulu Patnaik That whole area was, or still is, controlled by the KIA( Kachin Independence Army) since the beginning of the Kachin rebellion. This was about 44% of all the recorded Stilwell's in the USA. http://stage.ngm.nationalgeographic.com/features/world/asia/myanmar/burma-road-text. I will voice my thoughts on the atrocities of brokers/thais that come into Burma..and recruit hilltribe and/or poor burmese to come to Thailand for “Work”. You will learn so much..and it is nice to have a burmese with you when you go through the military road blocks etc…. Trips like this have been done before; and they will be done again. The Ledo road has been upgraded to a 2 lane national highway. > the area was under the Kachin Independance Army. Assam native me(pun intended)..sorry if I dug this up late but if you have been blessed enough to travel by the Indian Railways..The “Rajdhani Express” starting New Delhi travels twice a week till Dibrugarh beyond Tinsukia. http://www.ww2f.com/wwii-today/23666-wwii-ghost-american-road-might-come-alive-again.html. A map (but without much detail) is available here. Dear Sangos, They eventually made it to Yangon and, along their journey, they sought to honour the many Indian and Burmese war dead who fell during the Second World War. It > permissions Probably you don’t care about that that – I assure you I care even less. ; Trade Permits > I-M253 haplogroup. But obviously it also created a huge racial tension in the area and the result was the violent clashes all over that section of Ledo Road for a very long time. I still have an extra copy of that National Geographic magazine with the Burma Road article. I will also send you an email as I probably have more recent experience of both legal and illegal travel in relation to these borders on both the China and India side than most at the moment. As for the mud, we’ll be travelling in a convoy of three Land Rovers (plus escort if desirable) with numerous recovery winches and other equipment. Discussing the plans of various adventurers and thrill-seekers with someone wise who knows this area well, we both agreed that keeping cars on the road (i.e. India’s got cold feet over it…Burma’s shaky…only China seems to be interested(obviously for a cheaper/shorter alternative to the Malacca straits roundabout to export her goods into the West and import energy resources). Documentary about the construction of the Stilwell Road - originally called The Ledo Road - a 478-mile passage from Assam, India, to Ledo, Burma, during World War II. > of > But the positives were that the landscape from Mytikina to Lashio was Construction. But then this an eight year old observation. Also am not sure if the Junta is ready to take on India on this matter. The Japanese did not cut through to Dimapur from the Naga Hills. Dear sangos,Khine & Hla Oo, Try Moreh/Tamu instead. The Ledo Road (later called the Stilwell Road) from Ledo, India, into Myanmar was begun in Dec., 1942. I am actually the one who have organized two trips up there and if all goes well, another trip is scheduled for Feb 2009. In case you are interested I could have it couriered to These mountain streams are so extremely dangerous, one minute they are just the rock-beds and next minute transformed into rushing torrents depending on the unseen rains at their headwaters. With the major insurgent groups ULFA and NSCN under ceasefire, there are good chances of India pushing the road into Burma. One is in the airforce. ANy ideas? As many readers know, the road from Ledo in Assam went all the way to Kunming. So that means Theo you would have to do the trip by invitation, rather than gatecrash(not good). The Kachin Rangers were formed and attached to the US Army under Gen Stilwell and even received Presidential citations for their extraordinary war achievements one of them being a rather grisly “highest kills per loss rate”. Is there some provision in the treaty of these areas (thats actually the most of India’s Northeast Btw) being returned to Burma – something like British Hong Kong returned to China in 1992. regards michael geary email [email protected]. In proof of the sincere disposition of the Burmese Government to maintain the relations of peace and amity between the Nations, and as part indemnification to the British Government for the expenses of the War, His Majesty the King of Ava agrees to pay the sum of one crore of Rupees. From your map it looks like the railhead is now Digboi. Even those experiences would be limited, as the American-Chinese forces crossed over to the Burmese side of the Patkais – where all the action was. Mitigation action proposed triple glazing to the bedrooms on the assumption the hotel would have air conditioning, to control internal noise levels to meet the standards set by WHO and BS 8233:2014. When I made my two and a half year global trip in a L/Rover 110 back in 1995, alone, it seemed prudent to say the least to ship from Madras direct to Singapore ! They took the more southerly route, in a convoy of 14 or so vehicles, via Moreh. ‘Grants’ ‘sponsors’ and a replica jeep don’t necessarily mean you should project your own adventurism on this space for the thrill of it. “I’ll do it for free you silly local, bet you’ve never even tasted chips or a fine lager” So just for you, if we get out pass i will put a small report containging interviews with locals together just for you. Statutory Law. The long discussion on the a Cambridge team sounds interesting nothwithstanding the varied opinions that came through.As a scholar interested in events of the Second World War in North East India, I would be glad if the trip materialises and we get photographs of graves of unknown Indians both civilians and army men. If you guys need that magazine I could mail it to you. Hence the need to use the Ledo Road. Most statutes are written and voted into law by the legislative branch of government. The Commerce Minister Jairam Ramesh in New Delhi is obviously talking with the people in Myanmar who are responsible for the Ledo Road area. > cameraperson) too had a lot of difficulty in getting the required Things change but, right now, vast areas of the Kachin State are easy to get around and most of the Stilwell Road is a simple trip. Like what China is doing in Tibet and Uighur, Burma is following with its own Burmanization of Kachin Land. ... General Assistance or Public Assistance) as their primary source of income, and 61% of households had other income (Social Security, Disability or Pension) as their major source of income. But in all my time on the road I had not, until last week, seen a sign marking this epic linkage. The magazine article is definitely better than the Internet article (More photos and detail maps). They seem more interested in playing India against China – correct me. The Stilwell Road is their only hope and thankfully we see some movement in that direction in spite of all the problems as you are aware. Not the old facts, current ones! We certainly intend to obtain permission before travelling along the road. . P.S. Good stuff! The railway station in Tinsukia is a big one and I think that the trains still run out to Ledo. ww2dbase Sources: Wikipedia The Ledo Road by Carl Weidenburner My intentions are not to get into the politics or the business potential related to the road. But it may still, from where I sit, end up cheaper, easier, safer, and more likely to succeed than an attempt to get permission to drive through Burma (although, as you know, a few have done it in the past…it doesn’t follow that it will be doable in future). In Calcutta, I was again refused permission, so, taking a big risk, I hoodwinked the Indian and Burmese authorities and went straight through ,via Thailand and Malaya to Singapore…….After a visit to Australia and a 4,5oo mile drive across the Australian desert, I returned to Singapore for the return journey back to the u/k….. Again, in Singapore .I was refused permission to travel back through Burma, and for an unbelievable second time, I hoodwinked the Burmese, by reconstituting my documents, giving myself permission to drive a second time through the Stilwell/Ledo Road…..Although some might say that I was foolhardy, I would have to agree with them, but if you want something badly enough, some are prepared to go that extra mile to succeed….. Once we have spoken to the Indian Minister of Commerce Jairam Ramesh, the man talking to myanmar officials about re opening the road, and trying his dammed hardest, Then we will know where we stand because by having him backing us we stand as gooder chance as any. We still intend to pursue the option of the Ledo Road. Ledo is just on the Assam side of the border between Arunachal Pradesh and Assam. I’d like to add my two-penneth, being one of the members of the proposed expedition from the University of Cambridge who Michael mentions in his first post. Chinese had done that wholesale clearing on their end and converted old Burma Road into an Eight-Lane Motorway. > that the Myanmar Govt and KIA had an informal understanding of not Also, recent reports, as Mandy has indirectly pointed out, point to a guerilla war going on in the Kachin States between the Nagas (who are not recognized by the Burmese junta as an independent ethnic group) and the Burmese military along with stuff that is pretty much up there in the territory of war crimes. Overnight trains go upto Ledo daily from Guwahati – capital of Assam…you are right probably nothing much has changed about this part from WW2..if Gen Stilwell were to walk into Ledo today he might still recognise it! > government authority. We certainly could not imagine attempting the route without the information which those like yourselves contribute. - Stilwell Road (Burma and India)--1940-1950 Headings Group portraits--1940-1950. I will definitely take a look at them later on the Internet when I have more time. I haven’t heard of anyone using the Ledo Road for crossing into Burma from India. A trickle of Chinese have crossed into Burma to travel PARTIALLY on the Ledo road and have reached only as far as 1o or 15 miles north from Myitkyina. They even built a bridge, called Balaminhtin Bridge, over wide Irrawaddy from Khatcho on the west bank near Myikyina to Waimaw on the east bank. But maybe things are picking up lately a little bit. His Majesty the King of Ava cedes to the British Government the conquered Provinces of Yeh, Tavoy, and Mergui and Tenasserim, with the islands and dependencies thereunto appertaining, taking the Salween River as the line of demarcation on that frontier ; any doubts regarding their boundaries will be settled as specified in the concluding part of Article third. Its very unlikely that you would succeed in getting direct people experiences of WW II, simply because of the elapsed time since 1942-45 and now. Burma Road. The worse condition is from Nanyun up to Pansau. Finally we did the Mayanmar portion by flying to Mytikina and then travelled by road via Bhamo to Lashio on the Mayanmar-China border. Hence the hard-left presence. http://www.angkor.com/2bangkok/2bangkok/forum/showthread.php?p=20030#post20030. I would particularly like to talk in detail with Nicholas Farrelly. You can download the paper by clicking the button above. Permits and Ordinances. Not sure how regular any services would be. The political figure who erected the sign has gone on to become Assam’s Minister for Industries & Commerce, Power (Electricity) & Public Enterprises. And, it goes without saying, very few of Thailand’s tourists currently come overland. > I will upload the film on my facebook profile in a week’s time. To learn more, view our, India’s Look/Act East Policy and the Northeast Region: A Critical Perspective by Prof. Hiranya K. Nath and Siddharth Kumar, Journal Space and Culture, India Open access Journal, Look/Act East Policy, Roads and Market Infrastructure in North-East India. The Stilwell Road, running from Assam in India to Myanmar and further on to China, could act as a growth driver for the entire region. SIGNALS, MEDICS, QUARTERMASTER, PIPE LINE - Never before was a greater co-ordination between Service branches displayed then in the construction of the Ledo Lifeline. The story of the longest and last motor journey around the world (which I assume you are familiar with) is certainly worth re-reading. I can see where you are coming from in your post. i am waiting for a reply email from these and the year before the drive around the world team drove through it too. Please do not miss the 2011 Pangsau Pass Winter Festival this year on the 20th, 21st & 22nd January and the car rally to meet at Dibrugarh on 20th January, 2011. I wrote, “Years back KIA militia used to ambush the army convoys with deadly result and many collateral civilian dead. On the positive side there has been lot of individual efforts of getting the move on in this obscure corner(see Khine’s website for instance); of course we are still way off from a freeway along the old stilwell road for reasons all know. The Stilwell Road was a single road built in 1944 between Indiaand China’s Yunnan Province. But, for the more general record (as Nic has it) – this may be an ‘epic trip’ but if you are seriously planning to negotiate having a Myanmar government military escort through this region ‘up to Hukawng’, perhaps you could ask them for their side of the story on the increasing numbers of sexual abuses against local women committed by their soldiers along this road. The sheer frustration of being refused, time after time again, a Burmese visa, to enter the BURMA Road at Ledo, made me decide to go without one and sort it all out when I reached Calcutta….. That part of Ledo road from Myitkyina to Namti and then to Tanai has been an all weather motorable, part sealed and mostly unsealed-dirt road as a strategic road maintained and controlled by the Burmese Army since the Sixties. The recruits were local tribal youngmen led by British officers. > Could you give me a bit of your background. Firstly, can I thank all of you who have contributed your advice, and we all greatly respect your knowledge and evident experience in these areas. > culverts had broken and not repaired. My contact in yangon informs me, after asking that the Kachin people are very friendly but very little means alot the them as they dont have much. In my private email to you, Michael, I offered to meet with you and to give you some advice and possible contacts. When corresponding with officials in Myanmar, we think it would probably be a good idea to suggest that we understand and expect that we will have an escort as far as the tiger reserve in the Hukaung Valley or something. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Also, I’d be extremely interested to see these local interviews you film. – The local take on the history of the road in English and Assamese. > I have copies. My website http://www.cbiexpeditions.com has been set up as a tool for those who wish to travel back in time, especially to see the “road” and also to visit regions that aren’t too far off from the road. The Ledo road was engineered by 17,000 Americans, half of them in all-black units, under Gen. Lewis A. A documentary on The Stilwell Road built during World War II by the US forces connecting Ledo in Assam, India to Kunming in Yunnan, China New York had the highest population of Stilwell families in 1840. History is over. While the sense of adventure is naturally a large contributor to our motives for attempting the expedition, discovery, and honest press representation are also major factors. . There are precedents. This would mean never even seeing Ledo, let alone driving the Ledo Road. The remote part of Ledo Road between Namti ( that is up north from Mogaung) and Myitkyina used to be a hot spot for ambushes years back before the ceasefire between the Burmese Army and various Kachin armed groups. The Ledo Road in Burma going NE from Shingbwiyang is simply fascinating as one goes up into the mountains traversing thick, dense forest with small villages of Naga, Kachin, Rawan and some Burmans living in unpopulated, remote areas. It was motorable up to Tanai. It ran 465 miles from Ledo to a junction with the Burma Road at Mongyu, Burma, near Wanting, China. Kachin people are amazingly warm people… The opportunity to drive into Kachin State and learn their culture is an opportunity you shoudl not pass on. Academia.edu no longer supports Internet Explorer. The above post has borrowed just one of your pictures, and quoted a little of your text, with a link to your blog post above indicating that your entire article is worth checking out. I have a suggestion about your tours though. Originally published in 2003, I think, although it covers Mark Jenkins’ efforts–all by himself–over several years. I would, if I was you, try to read everything they have ever put up on their site – it is the best source of news on the Ledo Road and surrounds. It’s about time Burma to reclaim her former territories of Assam and Manipur from India. I can’t find it on any map. Why? Thanks a lot for the information.I could not get through your photographs as I do not have a log in address.I am into preliminary research on Secong World War and North East India.Will be organising a Seminar on the topic in February 2009 at Rajiv Gandhi University,Itanagar,Arunachal Pradesh,where I am a faculty.These leads will help me construct the history of this period which rarely goes beyond recording the achievements of soldiers. Dont want to rename the road after me….just be a small part of it. It would be a beautiful thing to drive across india, into burma and end up in China. In fact, the sexual abuses that Mandy highlights for your benefit are just the tip of the iceberg. I am no expert on law but such a document would have valid international mandate. @ Hla Oo – Thanks! It must be a wonderful experience to rediscover it again for a former Chindit after more than 60 years. > incredibly beautiful with dense forests etc. Nice to know! > and kept track. http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/features/world/asia/myanmar/burma-road-text.htm. Neither of which is a good idea!! 2 talking about this. Several studants are coming on the trip from Cambridge university and with this they bring many sponsers and grants. In 1944 the Ledo Road reached Myitkyina and was joined to the Burma Road. The second source of law is statutory law.While the Constitution applies to government action, statutes apply to and regulate individual or private action. Slightly East of Magherita, but not as far as the Likhapani railway on this war-derived map and zoomed inset: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Allied_lines_of_communication_in_Southeast_Asia%2C_1942-43.jpg. They want the western would to know. And it is due to the two emerging giants India and China working in tandem. Its a pity all parties concerned: India, Burma and China are just wasting such a HUGE opportunity and still clinging on to stone age status quo all in the name of “Security” but actually helplessness(sic) bred from fear, distrust and failed countries …all we have is the ghost of road testimony to some most daring feats performed in the most unlikely corner of the planet! I don’t know if any of you have actually TRVELLED on the Ledo Road? “I mean I gotta see it for myself, am an empiricist after all – it’s the British way” EA: “yes, I suppose you want to film the raping and pillaging and sell it to the world service?” However, the international community usually regarded all the traffic networks in southwest China as being part of the famous road, which was named after Joseph Stilwell, commander-in … If the stilwell Road is reconstructed as a Trains Asian Express Highway and along with it if a trains Asian Railway line is built up then in near frelleene net only the North East India but the entire nation would be connected by both road and railway with Myanmar, South … From China border to Myikyina, the Burma Road is now sealed and all weather usable. We say TIM (This is Myanmar) – because things that are taken for granted elsewhere, basic necessities such as water, electricity, etc are still scarce in a city like Rangoon (Yangon) where I live! 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